2013 mock draft

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Big difference between Curry and Teo is that Curry was all combine warrior and many said he had major bust potential. I just bought into him. Teo is a football stud who hasnt even gone to combine yet. Many combine warriors are busts if no football tape to back it up. Kind of like the pick we made at 11 this year.

Teo is gonna be a special player. Teams will fear his ability. If he is added to the mix at LB, who gives a shit who plays up front just take up three blockers.

chiefbravebull wrote:

Teo is gonna be a special player. Teams will fear his ability. If he is added to the mix at LB, who gives a shit who plays up front just take up three blockers.

Stud linebackers dont win super bowls. Stud QBs do.

Chicago vs Indy in the super bowl several years ago.

Urlacher didnt win.

Chiefs09 wrote:

Big difference between Curry and Teo is that Curry was all combine warrior and many said he had major bust potential. I just bought into him. Teo is a football stud who hasnt even gone to combine yet. Many combine warriors are busts if no football tape to back it up. Kind of like the pick we made at 11 this year.

Major bust potential? Bullshit. Nearly every report out there had him labeled as the safest pick of the draft.

KCJay wrote:

If we draft Wilson 1st/2nd overall, it would be a terrible pick...He isn't that kind of talent...

We need to go BPA and none of this year's crop of QBs are just that...

DT Star Lotulelei is my hope...

If Bobby Paterno were still coaching Arkansas this season Tyler Wilsons name would be right up there with Geno Smith.

Every game except 1, he's passed for more than 225 yards and the 1 game he left because of injury.

No position is as important as the QB position. Thats a fact of the game. Theres a reason why a majority of the teams with top 3 picks have terrible QB play. You dont take a great DL or LB over a good QB who you can build an offense around and be successful.

Sorry guys, I'm not on board with picking a QB this coming draft...We have other holes to fill, not just QB...

I would take OG Chance Warmack or OT Luke Joeckel over any QB in this draft, if we go offense..

KCJay wrote:

Sorry guys, I'm not on board with picking a QB this coming draft...We have other holes to fill, not just QB...

I would take OG Chance Warmack or OT Luke Joeckel over any QB in this draft, if we go offense..

No guard should ever be taken top 10. We spent a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick in last years draft on linemen. We drafted Asamoah in 2009. I really dont think our OL is as bad as it looks. The terrible coaching and poor pocket presence by Cassel makes everything look worse than it is.

I know there is no Andrew Luck or RGIII guys in this draft. Those two guys come along every 5-10 years. There are guys in this draft we can build a successful offense round though. If we can find that guy, he's worth the top pick. He may not end up being a Brady or Rodgers but if he can be an Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, or somebody like that who can make plays when we need them then he's worth the pick. That simple.

Touchdown Bowe wrote:

Chiefs09 wrote:

Big difference between Curry and Teo is that Curry was all combine warrior and many said he had major bust potential. I just bought into him. Teo is a football stud who hasnt even gone to combine yet. Many combine warriors are busts if no football tape to back it up. Kind of like the pick we made at 11 this year.

Major bust potential? Bullshit. Nearly every report out there had him labeled as the safest pick of the draft.

He was labeled the safest pick in the draft.

Chiefs09 wrote:

Big difference between Curry and Teo is that Curry was all combine warrior and many said he had major bust potential. I just bought into him. Teo is a football stud who hasnt even gone to combine yet. Many combine warriors are busts if no football tape to back it up. Kind of like the pick we made at 11 this year.

Curry had 105 tackles, 2.5 sacks, INT, and a fumble his senior year. Teo has 101 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and 7 picks. Are you saying that Curry had no game tape when he had more tackles then Teo his senior year? I think Teo has a chance to be a very good player but he also has a chance to bust big. I'm not a fan of taking him number 1 as a pass covering ILB.

Yeah Curry was the safest pick in the draft. I think I'm the only person in America who didn't want us to draft him. I don't even know who I want at this point. I reached in my clean cloths pile after my shower tonight and it happened to be a Chiefs shirt I pulled out. I just laughed as I put it on.

Sad.

Touchdown Bowe wrote:

KCJay wrote:

Sorry guys, I'm not on board with picking a QB this coming draft...We have other holes to fill, not just QB...

I would take OG Chance Warmack or OT Luke Joeckel over any QB in this draft, if we go offense..

No guard should ever be taken top 10. We spent a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick in last years draft on linemen. We drafted Asamoah in 2009. I really dont think our OL is as bad as it looks. The terrible coaching and poor pocket presence by Cassel makes everything look worse than it is.

I know there is no Andrew Luck or RGIII guys in this draft. Those two guys come along every 5-10 years. There are guys in this draft we can build a successful offense round though. If we can find that guy, he's worth the top pick. He may not end up being a Brady or Rodgers but if he can be an Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, or somebody like that who can make plays when we need them then he's worth the pick. That simple.

I am not a fan of picking a Guard there, either, but if we are going to pick to help our offense with a top pick, I would pick Warmack over any QB in this draft...He is the better player, IMO...

A rookie QB isn't going to make us a better FB team..We need to build a stronger OL before that can happen...The QBs in the next draft are franchise worthy...Don't waste a pick on another Russel/Young type of guy...Pick the Jake Long or Joe Thomas first...Joeckel would move Albert back to his more natural position..LG..

Keep Brady/Stanzi and bring in a veteran...Get rid of Cassel...

Joeckel-Albert-Hudson-Asamoah-Winston...

Mel Kiper thinks the Chiefs can be one of the top newsmakers in the draft even if they wait until the second round to take a quarterback. Here are his thoughts:

Kansas City is also in line to deliver a huge splash. The Chiefs could draft No. 1 overall, and quarterback is a huge need. Right now, I don't have a QB rated among my top 20 overall players, but when that position is a major need, sometimes the value equation changes. That said, what if the Chiefs were to take Te'o with their first pick, and then target value at quarterback early in Round 2, landing them (Geno) Smith, (Matt) Barkley, Tyler Wilson, a talent like Mike Glennon or a high-ceiling project like Logan Thomas? It's so early that the QB evaluations will change a great deal (think of where RG3 was last year before the combine and workout process) and K.C. will have time to figure out the value at that early pick. But for splash, they're an early candidate.

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Joeckel 1st overall, Smith? 2nd round....great start..

KCJay wrote:

Mel Kiper thinks the Chiefs can be one of the top newsmakers in the draft even if they wait until the second round to take a quarterback. Here are his thoughts:

Kansas City is also in line to deliver a huge splash. The Chiefs could draft No. 1 overall, and quarterback is a huge need. Right now, I don't have a QB rated among my top 20 overall players, but when that position is a major need, sometimes the value equation changes. That said, what if the Chiefs were to take Te'o with their first pick, and then target value at quarterback early in Round 2, landing them (Geno) Smith, (Matt) Barkley, Tyler Wilson, a talent like Mike Glennon or a high-ceiling project like Logan Thomas? It's so early that the QB evaluations will change a great deal (think of where RG3 was last year before the combine and workout process) and K.C. will have time to figure out the value at that early pick. But for splash, they're an early candidate.

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Joeckel 1st overall, Smith? 2nd round....great start..

I don't think there is no damn way that Smith makes it out of the top 5 picks! We are talking about QB's! Last year, I was on the RG3 bandwagon about mid season when I started to see some of his stats. Smith put up RG3 type numbers with 2 less games than RG3.

Smith
2012 11 466 327 70.2 3597 7.7 37 5

RG3
2011 13 402 291 72.4 4293 10.7 37 6

Baylor and West Virginia both run the spread and both have a lot of similarities. I'm not saying that RG3 and Smith are the same QB but both have a lot of similarities. Smith has not went down the field as much as RG3 did. If Smith is 75% as good as RG3, then he's worth the pick! Here is a good write up about the Baylor and WVU offenses.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/9/29/3427216/baylor-west-virginia-2012-preview-dana-holgorsen-art-briles

2013 NFL Draft: Comparing Geno Smith and Robert Griffin

Written by Alex Brown - Optimum Scouting | 28 September 2012

Geno SmithThe storyline of 2011 meets the storyline of 2012 in this comparison of former Baylor Bear Robert Griffin III and West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith. Eerily similar to Robert Griffin III in 2011, Geno Smith has gotten off to a red-hot start, completing a remarkable 81.4% of his 118 passes for over 1,000 yards, 12 touchdown passes, and a 191.2 quarterback.

To compare those numbers with the 2011-2012 season Heisman Trophy winner, Robert Griffin III completed two more passes, with 98 completions through 118 attempts, for over 1,300 yards, 18 touchdowns, and a 228.9 quarterback rating. And while I added up Robert Griffin’s first 4 games of the 2011 season and his first 6 pass attempts versus Iowa State to equal Geno Smith’s pass attempt total through 3 games, what must be understood in comparing these two players, is the difference in offensive principles between Baylor and West Virginia.

Heisman-like Numbers
Much more pro-styled in their passing concepts with a heavy dose of curl, bench, dig, drive, and post routes, West Virginia has given Geno Smith on average 12 more pass attempts per game than Robert Griffin in the same time span -through the first 3 games of the season. With Baylor’s offense, the inverted-veer and zone read game set up a much more potent deep passing game, as they averaged 241 yards rushing through the first 3 games of the 2011 season –that stands in direct contrast to West Virginia’s inconsistent rushing attack that produced 331 yards in week 1 versus Marshall and a meager 25 yards in week 3 versus Maryland.

So why do I throw those numbers at you? Well, to tell the true story behind Robert Griffin III’s 12-yards per pass attempt average and Geno Smith’s 9 yards per pass attempt average. While West Virginia has an explosive offense, it must be noted how special Baylor’s offense was in 2011. In terms of production through the first 3 games of the year, Robert Griffin III wins with his extraordinarily efficient and explosive early season performance. In sum, Smith is deadly in the short-to-intermediate passing game, while Robert Griffin III torched secondaries in 2011 with deep, down the field throws.

Comparing the two, as NFL Draft Prospects
Now, the biggest difference between Robert Griffin III and Geno Smith, without question is their respective pro-readiness prior to their final seasons as college quarterbacks.

In evaluating Griffin prior to his 2011 season, I had a hard time giving a 4th round grade, due to his lack of pocket presence, awkward throwing mechanics, and inconsistent ball placement. And while he had improved and progressed through each season at Baylor, Griffin still appeared to be more of an athletic thrower than a quarterback with athleticism.

Very much the opposite, Geno Smith impressed me with a number of things, but in particular: his ability to manipulate the pocket and adjust to collapsing pressure, a consistent, snapping throwing motion and ideal throwing mechanics, and outstanding ball placement to all levels of the field. As our #2 rated senior quarterback, Smith earned a top 15-preseason grade.

What separated these two prospects in preseason evaluations inevitably came down to ability to progress through multiple targets with sustained accuracy to all levels of the field. Geno Smith had already shown development with footwork, eye discipline, and coverage reading, whereas Robert Griffin III really struggled when his primary target was covered, and he was forced to reset his feet to secondary targets and react to pressure.

Enter the 2011 season for RG3, and scouts saw a completely reinvented quarterback. Impressing with improvements to his pocket movements, footwork, mechanics, accuracy, and coverage reading, it was clear early in the season that Griffin would declare for the draft, as a high round prospect. Flipping the script of being an exceptional athlete playing the quarterback position, Griffin’s elite athletic ability took a back seat to a more pocket passing style of play. Combining his plus arm talent with deep ball accuracy and comfort inside the pocket, RG3 progressed into the Top 5 pick that he was more than capable of becoming.

Shifting towards the 2012 season, Geno Smith’s early success should not come as a surprise to those who broke down his 2011 game film. Arm talent, accuracy to all levels of the field, pocket presence, and control of the game are all major pluses for Smith, which is consistent with preseason evaluations and an excellent sign for his future prospects in the NFL.

Hitting his receivers in stride without inhibiting their momentum after the catch, Smith assists his speedy receivers by delivering a catchable, on target, and on time throw. Dialing down his fastball on short drags and crossing patterns, while being able to drive the deep comeback, post, or bench route with zip, Geno Smith showcases elite ball control and natural throwing ability that few college quarterbacks possess.

More impressive than his ball control and accuracy however, is the way Geno Smith maneuvers within the pocket, sliding laterally, climbing or retreating from pressure as necessary. Never rattled with interior pressure, Smith keeps his eye level down the field, while maintaining a firm throwing base, active feet, and instinctive movements to avoid the rush and stay focused on the coverage.

Again, in terms of pure quarterbacking skills, Geno Smith is further developed than Robert Griffin III was in 2011, yet lacks the same upside that Griffin posed. Physically, the two signal callers are nearly identical with their body types, each measuring a shade less than 6’3 and weighing in the 220-pound range. Lean and athletic, both quarterbacks possess the movement skills and athleticism to make plays with their feet. Griffin, being an accomplished track star, obviously is a much more explosive dual threat; however, Geno Smith’s running ability should not be undervalued in any way, as he can and will pick up first downs when given space.

The Final Analysis
In differentiating these two prospects, it’s clear that Geno Smith is following Robert Griffin III’s footsteps in becoming the next hot prospect and potential top 5 overall draft choice. Their production, physical build, arm talent, accuracy, and explosive supporting casts are remarkably similar, but the intriguing aspect of this comparison, is how much further developed Geno Smith appears to be. Not the Olympic hurdler that Griffin was, or possessing the same 4.4 speed, Geno Smith has become the player he is today, through polished throwing mechanics, precise footwork, and feel for the game.

So in a sense, the choice of which quarterback is better than the other ultimately comes down to what you value more –high floor or high ceiling. Robert Griffin III’s combination of deep passing ability and elite athletic attributes paint a stark contrast to Geno Smith’s calculated approach and highly accurate arm. To me, Geno Smith is every bit, worthy of the top 5 pick that RG3 warranted, especially for teams in need of a franchise quarterback.

That article seems to believe that Smith's mechanics and pocket skill is more developed than RG3. Smith just has not thrown the deep ball as much as RG3 did. In the clips I have seen Smith looks like he has great accuracy and zip on the deep balls i have seen him throw. Were fucking idiots if we don't draft Smith!

Being able to draft Te'o then trading up for Wilson or Geno would be awesome.

RustShack wrote:

Being able to draft Te'o then trading up for Wilson or Geno would be awesome.

Yes it would. If it wasn't for West Virginia having one of the worst defenses in the country, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

KCJay wrote:

Touchdown Bowe wrote:

KCJay wrote:

Sorry guys, I'm not on board with picking a QB this coming draft...We have other holes to fill, not just QB...

I would take OG Chance Warmack or OT Luke Joeckel over any QB in this draft, if we go offense..

No guard should ever be taken top 10. We spent a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick in last years draft on linemen. We drafted Asamoah in 2009. I really dont think our OL is as bad as it looks. The terrible coaching and poor pocket presence by Cassel makes everything look worse than it is.

I know there is no Andrew Luck or RGIII guys in this draft. Those two guys come along every 5-10 years. There are guys in this draft we can build a successful offense round though. If we can find that guy, he's worth the top pick. He may not end up being a Brady or Rodgers but if he can be an Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, or somebody like that who can make plays when we need them then he's worth the pick. That simple.

I am not a fan of picking a Guard there, either, but if we are going to pick to help our offense with a top pick, I would pick Warmack over any QB in this draft...He is the better player, IMO...

A rookie QB isn't going to make us a better FB team..We need to build a stronger OL before that can happen...The QBs in the next draft are franchise worthy...Don't waste a pick on another Russel/Young type of guy...Pick the Jake Long or Joe Thomas first...Joeckel would move Albert back to his more natural position..LG..

Keep Brady/Stanzi and bring in a veteran...Get rid of Cassel...

Joeckel-Albert-Hudson-Asamoah-Winston...

Albert has been one of the higher ranked LTs in the league this year. Why move him back to guard?

RustShack wrote:

Yeah Curry was the safest pick in the draft. I think I'm the only person in America who didn't want us to draft him. I don't even know who I want at this point. I reached in my clean cloths pile after my shower tonight and it happened to be a Chiefs shirt I pulled out. I just laughed as I put it on.

Sad.

I remember being on board for Raji or Crabtree..neither have been great but neither have been busts.

Touchdown Bowe wrote:

KCJay wrote:

Touchdown Bowe wrote:

KCJay wrote:

Sorry guys, I'm not on board with picking a QB this coming draft...We have other holes to fill, not just QB...

I would take OG Chance Warmack or OT Luke Joeckel over any QB in this draft, if we go offense..

No guard should ever be taken top 10. We spent a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick in last years draft on linemen. We drafted Asamoah in 2009. I really dont think our OL is as bad as it looks. The terrible coaching and poor pocket presence by Cassel makes everything look worse than it is.

I know there is no Andrew Luck or RGIII guys in this draft. Those two guys come along every 5-10 years. There are guys in this draft we can build a successful offense round though. If we can find that guy, he's worth the top pick. He may not end up being a Brady or Rodgers but if he can be an Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, or somebody like that who can make plays when we need them then he's worth the pick. That simple.

I am not a fan of picking a Guard there, either, but if we are going to pick to help our offense with a top pick, I would pick Warmack over any QB in this draft...He is the better player, IMO...

A rookie QB isn't going to make us a better FB team..We need to build a stronger OL before that can happen...The QBs in the next draft are franchise worthy...Don't waste a pick on another Russel/Young type of guy...Pick the Jake Long or Joe Thomas first...Joeckel would move Albert back to his more natural position..LG..

Keep Brady/Stanzi and bring in a veteran...Get rid of Cassel...

Joeckel-Albert-Hudson-Asamoah-Winston...

Albert has been one of the higher ranked LTs in the league this year. Why move him back to guard?

I was thinking the same thing. Jockel is outstanding pass protector. I think he is only above average in the run game though. I don't think he has the kind of power that a Jake Long or Joe Thomas has. You only need a LT if you plan on letting Albert walk. After the game I just watched, we may already have a replacement in house. I was pretty impressed by the showing Stephenson made the other day against a Dumerville and Miller rush combo. Not to mention Charles had one of his better games this year off LT.

Our line really isnt a problem at all. Next year we'll have Albert or Stephenson at LT, Allen at LG, Hudson back at C, Asamoah at RG, and Winston at RT. We have alot of young guys with good potential that just need coaching up which is what we desperately lack right now. Were gonna be fine if we sign the right coach this offseason.

Yeah we don't need a first round OL at all. Just bring Albert back, hes fine. Hes not the best LT in the NFL, but not every team can have that. We have one of the better ones at least. I'm more concerned with finding a QB.

RustShack wrote:

Yeah we don't need a first round OL at all. Just bring Albert back, hes fine. Hes not the best LT in the NFL, but not every team can have that. We have one of the better ones at least. I'm more concerned with finding a QB.

I am too, but I really don't like the QBs in this draft...

I like other players more...Taking a LBers 1st overall? Really???

Te'o is a great talent, but 1st overall worthy? Like was stated earlier, does Aaron Curry ring a bell?

And guys, don't get me wrong, I am not a HUGE fan of picking OL with the 1st pick, I am just saying getting value for the pick is going OL...As much as this team needs a franchise QB, we shouldn't jump at picking ANY of the QBs with the 1st pick when there is so much better talent out there..

Joeckel isn't a mauler in the run game, but he has an above average talent in that department and is an ELITE pass protector...We also need to shore up the DL..I know you guys hate the idea of picking a DT/DE, but lets be honest..Jackson and Dorsey are not elite NFL talent..DE Carradine or the HUGE NT Jenkins would be solid additions to this FB team...

CB Milliner would be another good option..

You guys have your opinions and I have mine..I understand this team needs a QB, but this draft really doesn't have one, IMO, that warrants the #1 pick....

BigRatt wrote:

Touchdown Bowe wrote:

Chiefs09 wrote:

Big difference between Curry and Teo is that Curry was all combine warrior and many said he had major bust potential. I just bought into him. Teo is a football stud who hasnt even gone to combine yet. Many combine warriors are busts if no football tape to back it up. Kind of like the pick we made at 11 this year.

Major bust potential? Bullshit. Nearly every report out there had him labeled as the safest pick of the draft.

He was labeled the safest pick in the draft.

No that is complete bullshit. He was all combine just like Poe.

And newsflash. the draft has changed. top picks dont get 50 mill now. it will also change positions that can be drafted top 5. I dont really care who we draft#1 this year. Your red colored fantasy that this 1-15 team is a QB away from a SB is crazy. They arent going to contend next year either. So best move is to take BPA. Look for some other team picking top 10 that believes they are a QB away and trade out of the 1 spot. Dont take a QB out of desperation hoping you get te one out of this weak class that becomes average. At least try to find a great player at any position.