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| | 2012 Mock Draft | |
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OutlawChief All-Pro
Posts : 856 Join date : 2010-04-06 Age : 45 Location : Mansfield, Ohio
| Subject: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:31 pm | |
| 1. Indianapolis Colts (0-13): Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford Obviously the Colts go with a QB here, but I lose confidence by the day that it will be Andrew Luck for some reason. **Projected Trade with Minnesota** 2. Miami Dolphins (4-9): Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor Dolphins get arguably the best player in the draft in RG3 who would revive the franchise. **Projected Trade with St. Louis** 3. Kansas City Chiefs (5-8): Matt Barkley, QB, USC Kansas City gets a franchise QB of the future for their new regime. 4. Washington Redskins (4-9): Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama Richardson would be a very interesting fit with the Redskins and head coach Mike Shanahan.
5. Jacksonville Jaguars (4-9): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State Blackmon would provide Blaine Gabbert or whatever QB the Jaguars use with a big time playmaker at the receiver position.
6. Carolina Panthers (4-9): Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU Panthers get a top notch defender in Morris Claiborne who can also return kicks and punts.
7. Minnesota Vikings (2-11): Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa Vikings get some much-needed help on the offensive line with Riley Reiff.
8. Cleveland Browns (4-9): Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina Fast athletic linebacker prospect who adds another dimension to the Browns’ defense.
9. Tampa Bay Bucs (4-9): Dre’ Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama Big cornerback prospect who has a ton of potential as a shut-down cornerback.
10. Philadelphia Eagles (5-8): Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford Eagles need to get tougher on the offensive line, and Martin is one of the best in the country.
11. Buffalo Bills (5-8): Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis Poe is an athletic freak with huge upside. I think the Bills adding him along with Marcel Dareus could be dangerous.
12. St. Louis Rams (2-10): Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame Floyd is a sure-handed WR prospect who would help the desperate St. Louis Rams and QB Sam Bradford.
13. Seattle Seahawks (5-7): Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M Bit of a reach here, but Tannehill is a solid prospect who will likely have a great offseason.
14. Arizona Cardinals (6-7): David DeCastro, OG, Stanford The Cardinals just need to add more protection up front, and getting DeCastro would be huge at this point.
15. San Diego Chargers (6-7): Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama The Chargers continue to try to rectify their pass rush problems with the addition of the talented Upshaw.
16. Dallas Cowboys (7-6): Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin The Cowboys need a center in a bad way. Peter Konz is the best in the country. 17. Tennessee Titans (7-6): Quinton Coples, DL, North Carolina The Titans end the fall of Quinton Coples and get themselves a nice DL prospect who can play multiple positions.
18. Cincinnati Bengals (7-6): Lamar Miller, RB, Miami Miller would add another dimension to the improving and young Bengals offense.
19. Oakland Raiders (7-6)(traded to Cincinnati): Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama The Bengals are not afraid to take character risks, and they are missing the presence of Jonathan Joseph in the defensive backfield.
20. Chicago Bears (7-6): Devon Still, DT, Penn State The Bears’ defense is aging, and they could really use some help at defensive tackle. Still is one of the top DT’s available in this year’s draft.
21. New York Giants (7-6): Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama Big, athletic linebacker who would likely start immediately in the middle of the Giants’ defense. 22. Atlanta Falcons (8-5)(traded to Cleveland): Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina Jeffery would be great value here for the Browns, who continue to seek out playmakers at the WR position.
23. New York Jets (8-5): Alamada Ta’amu, NT, Washington Jets get a big, nasty nose tackle to clog up lanes in the middle of that defense.
24. Denver Broncos (8-5): Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson Complete DT prospect who has great size and could be a force for the Broncos in the middle of the line.
25. Detroit Lions (8-5): Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College Great value pick here and gives the Lions a tackling machine who can lead the defense.
26. Houston Texans (10-3): Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers Big playmaker at wide receiver who would add insurance if Andre Johnson continues to miss time due to injuries.
27. New Orleans Saints (10-3)(traded to New England): Mark Barron, S, Alabama Patriots upgrade the safety position with the All-American Barron from Alabama.
28. New England Patriots (10-3): Jared Crick, DL, Nebraska Tough defensive lineman coming off of injury who can provide pass rush as a 5-technique.
29. San Francisco 49ers (10-3): Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska Solid, physical corner with a good build who could step in and start right away on one of the best defenses in the NFL.
30. Baltimore Ravens (10-3): Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin Physical running back who would complement Ray Rice as Ricky Williams likely won’t play much longer at a high level.
31. Pittsburgh Steelers (10-3): Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia Big, nasty offensive lineman who fits in perfectly with what Pittsburgh likes to do.
32. Green Bay Packers (13-0): Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State Decent value pick here, adds some much needed talent and depth to the front line for Green Bay.
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| | | RustShack Giver of Life
Posts : 4463 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 35 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:43 pm | |
| Sadly, QB most likely isn't happening yet. Our best hope is for Stanzi to win three straight for us this year. | |
| | | OutlawChief All-Pro
Posts : 856 Join date : 2010-04-06 Age : 45 Location : Mansfield, Ohio
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:54 pm | |
| I agree, but he may never even get the chance. Looks more than likely Orton starts against the Packers this week. And I would love to draft a QB but don't see it happening. Cassel will be our starter next year. I still think he can win cames and be a great game manager. But that's it all your gonna get. He will never be the guy to take us over the top and win a Championship. Would love for him to prove me wrong. But just don't see it. If we drafted a QB in the 1st round I would be shocked. Happy but shocked | |
| | | RustShack Giver of Life
Posts : 4463 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 35 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:01 pm | |
| Orton still has that hurt finger and isn't 100% if he will start. Plus its not crazy to think being already hurt increases his chances of getting hurt. | |
| | | OutlawChief All-Pro
Posts : 856 Join date : 2010-04-06 Age : 45 Location : Mansfield, Ohio
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:31 pm | |
| True, Don't get me wrong I would much rather see Stanzi play than Orton. I just think Crennell wants the vetern in the game. I think he feels starting Stanzi and the Packers he would be throwing him to the wolves. | |
| | | BigRatt All-Madden
Posts : 2738 Join date : 2010-04-08
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:57 am | |
| So Barkley decides he wants to be a #1 pick and goes back to school. One less QB prospect in this draft and that means no shot at RG3 now! | |
| | | RustShack Giver of Life
Posts : 4463 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 35 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:59 am | |
| Sounds like Jones is also going back. | |
| | | KCJay Pro
Posts : 270 Join date : 2010-04-22
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:24 pm | |
| I think we need to either go OL or DL in the 1st round to tell you the truth..
As much as I hated our QB situation earlier in the year, seeing what Orton has done in the past 2 weeks has made me think that other glaring holes have to be addressed before the QB position..
DT Dontari Poe or OT Riley Reiff would be my picks..Maybe another inside LB to help DJ, but that can wait until the 2nd/3rd rounds...
Picking up Poe takes an aging stop gap in Gregg out of the picture and drafting an OT in Reiff allows us to move Albert to the RT spot, which REALLY needs a fix... | |
| | | Touchdown Bowe Mod Lord
Posts : 1450 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 31 Location : KC
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:42 am | |
| Its gotta be the best 5 tech available..I mean it only makes sense..right? | |
| | | RustShack Giver of Life
Posts : 4463 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 35 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:00 pm | |
| I'm still pretty interested in how Powe develops. | |
| | | chiefbravebull All-Pro
Posts : 850 Join date : 2010-04-08 Location : Creston, IA
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:16 pm | |
| I think Powe will develop just fine but we should bring in a veteran to hold down the fort for another year. I think our draft should go something like this:
1- Jonathan Martin or Riley Reiff - OT 2- Coby Fleener - TE Stanford 3 - Shaun Prater - CB Iowa or Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 4 - Tank Carder - ILB TCU 5 - Al Netter - OT Northwestern 6- Lance Dunbar - RB N. Texas
I think that would be a great draft.
Let the debates begin!! | |
| | | BigRatt All-Madden
Posts : 2738 Join date : 2010-04-08
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:42 pm | |
| Everyone is always looking to improve their offensive line, and the draft is the best way to find a long term fixture at a reasonable price. The left tackle position carries as much value on draft day as any position outside of quarterback, and this year, there are a number of talented performers available. The top two lineman eligible for this year's draft reside on the west coast, and both have the option of returning to school for their senior seasons, should they choose to. USC's Matt Kalil and Stanford's Jonathan Martin at this point appear to be the headliners on the offensive line.
Matt Kalil, younger brother of Carolina Panthers' Ryan, is a true blue chip tackle prospect. He has everything you want in a left tackle: He has a long, lean, athletic, and tough. Kalil stands 6'7, but may need to pack some more weight on to his 290lb frame to full realize his potential in the running game. As a pass blocker, he is a terrific natural athlete with the ability to mirror a defenders moves, and keep his quarterback upright. Matt Barkley was only sacked six times this year, and Kalil was a major reason why. If he declares, Kalil has the look of a potential top five pick.
Stanford's Jonathan Martin also has a great blend of natural physical gifts. He has excellent size, and is actually a little bigger than Kalil, but combines that size with very good athleticism. The extra bulk and strength has may make him a better run blocker than Kalil at this point, but he is a bit inconsistent as a pass blocker. The natural athleticism is there, but he can stand tall and stop his feet at times. More experience will definitely take care of that. He's done a terrific job keeping Andrew Luck healthy this season on his run to the Heisman, and shouldn't have to wait much longer after Luck and Kalil to hear his name called on draft day, potentially landing in the top ten.
Iowa's Riley Reiff is just a tick below Martin, but could rate higher on some boards depending on scheme. His frame resembles Kalil, in that he will need to add some more bulk to hold up at the next level. But Reiff too is a solid athlete, and should have no problem staying on the left side at the next level. He isn't going to overpower anyone at the point of attack, and but is a quality run blocker. Iowa has a reputation of producing quality lineman, and Reiff could be as good as any of them in recent memory.
Mike Adams of Ohio State is arguably the top senior tackle available at this point. He has enjoyed a very good senior season, finally tapping into the immense potential many thought he had. He sat out the first five games of this season as a part of the mess at Ohio State that cost Jim Tressell his job. Adams has the most pro ready body of all the top tier lineman, carrying around 320lbs on his 6'5 frame. He is an impressive looking athlete, and has the mobility to play on the left side in the NFL. He shows the ability to shuffle his feet laterally to keep defenders at bay, although his footwork can get inconsistent at times. In the running game, he has flashed the ability to control defenders at the point of attack at times, but doesn't consistently control defensive lineman. The tools are there to play on either the left or the right in the NFL, and with some coaching, Adams could have a great NFL career.
Florida State has two senior tackles that could hear their names called in the first couple rounds in April. Zebrie Sanders carries a higher grade than Andrew Datko, because of his physical tools. Sanders has played on the right side for most of his career, but has stepped in on the left side when Datko has been out. Sanders' skills and game seem much better suited on the left side. He is a quality natural athlete that moves very well in pass protection, and some added weight would suit him well. Datko is more of a technician, with a develop body and seems more suited for the right side at the next level.
Oklahoma State's Levy Adcock and Boise State's Nate Potter are two other players to keep an eye on as potential selections in the first three rounds. Both players may have the skills to play on the left side for some teams, but project better on the right side. Adcock is bigger and more physical, while Potter is lighter and may fit better in a zone blocking scheme.
UAB's Matt McCants is a sleeper to watch. He is very raw as a prospect, but has the natural strength and athleticism to develop with a quality coach. He could impress in workouts and move up, but he has the look of a mid rounder with a lot of untapped potential.
G RANKINGS David DeCastro, Stanford Cordy Glenn, Georgia Kelechi Osemele, Iowa St. Brandon Washington, Miami, Jr. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin Senio Kelemente, Washington Ryan Miller, Colorado Rishaw Johnson, California(PA) Lucas Nix, Pitt Amini Silatolu, Midwestern St. On the interior line, all talks begin with a return trip to Stanford to talk about Jonathan Martin's teammate, David DeCastro. He is a rare guard prospect that carries a solid first round grade. He has the size to play right now in the NFL, along with the toughness, intelligence, and quickness to be an all around force. He may even be able to kick out to right tackle for some teams if the need ever arises.
Georgia's Cordy Glenn should be the next guard off the board, and he too could play some tackle in the NFL. Glenn's frame looks more like a right tackle, but he lacks the ability to consistently keep up in pass protection on the edge. As a guard, he is above average and shows good short area quickness and mobility. Run blocking is where he makes his money, and he can really drive defenders off the ball. Once his hands are on a defender, they aren't getting free, and his back will have a clear path to big yardage.
Kelechi Osemele of Iowa State is a pure power guard prospect. He has played tackle in college, but definitely projects inside at the next level. At 6'5 340lbs, Osemele has the raw size and natural strength to dominate defenders at the point of attack and drive them into the ground consistently. He plays with a mean streak and wants to beat you up, which will only endear him to a physical, power running scheme.
After those three, there is a group of players that have the look of day three players that could surprise. Washington's Sergio Kelemente won't jump out at you physically, but he will battle and get the job done. Colorado's Ryan Miller can play guard, but at 6'8, could have some serious leverage issues in the NFL, but lacks the athleticism to play tackle. California(PA)'s Rishaw Johnson is an Ole Miss transfer that has the tools to be an earlier pick, but has serious off the field issues from his time at Ole Miss that he will have to answer.
C RANKINGS Peter Konz, Wisconsin, Jr. Ben Jones, Georgia Michael Brewster, Ohio St. David Molk, Michigan Philip Blake, Baylor At the center position, Wisconsin junior, Peter Konz is the only potential first rounder at the position. He has the complete package at center: good size, mobility, and intelligence. He flashes some pop initially at the point, and sets up very quickly after the snap. He does an excellent job getting out of the move and picking up a defender, and has no problems in space A dislocated ankle caused him to miss the final three games of the year, but he should be ready in the Rose Bowl against Oregon, and a solid performance could lead him towards declaring for the draft.
Georgia's Ben Jones, Ohio State's Michael Brewster, and Michigan's David Molk are players that could potentially hear their names called in the mid rounds of the draft.
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| | | BigRatt All-Madden
Posts : 2738 Join date : 2010-04-08
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:11 pm | |
| AT OT in this draft I like Martin, Reiff, Adams, and pure RT Bobbie Massie. Ricky Wagner could have been nice as he is similar to Carimi. Wagner is not declaring. Massie is a big, nasty run blocker that I would like to have. At G, I like Glenn and Osemele. Both guys are big, mean and nasty similar to Carl Nicks. Glenn is interesting because he has amazing athleticism and blocks well in space. If Hudson winds up at G, I would have rather had Glenn or Osemele last year over Hudson. If we miss out on Martin in the 1st, I'm not so sure I wouldn't like to wait and get Massie in the 2nd round. | |
| | | Ian316 n00b cake
Posts : 19 Join date : 2011-05-08
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:55 pm | |
| 1st Jonathan Martin OL Stanford 2nd Kelechi Osemele Iowa St 3rd Audi Cole ILB NC State 4th Nick Foles QB Arizona 5th Tavon Wilson SS Illinois 6th Michael Williams TE Alabama 7th T-Bob Hebert OL LSU
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| | | chiefbravebull All-Pro
Posts : 850 Join date : 2010-04-08 Location : Creston, IA
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:15 am | |
| Jonathan Martin out of Stanford would be great on the first round. I dont hink he will be there when we draft so Reiff or Adams to play RT would be great also, allot of depth at tackle in this draft.
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| | | Chiefs09 All-Madden
Posts : 2316 Join date : 2010-03-27
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:13 pm | |
| Taking a LT fixes 2 positions so it only makes sense. I still think we need to fix Dline but would take LT in 1. If Pioli has a pattern goin on with 1st round picks this year should be a good 1 no matter which way he goes. | |
| | | RustShack Giver of Life
Posts : 4463 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 35 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:34 pm | |
| Chiefs have been projected to take a OL for years first. Might finally happen this year. | |
| | | chiefbravebull All-Pro
Posts : 850 Join date : 2010-04-08 Location : Creston, IA
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:53 pm | |
| W ereally need an impact LT or someone who can take over the RT right away atleast. | |
| | | RustShack Giver of Life
Posts : 4463 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 35 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:31 pm | |
| I'm content with Albert at LT. Wouldn't be against an upgrade because Albert could probably be even better at a different position. I'd also be interested in seeing Richardson at OG, but I feel like hes still coming back next year even if its not to start because he can play both tackle spots.. and actually his best games hes played have all been the few times he played LT...
I'd love to land ISU's LT in the second round. He will be a great guard in the NFL. | |
| | | chiefbravebull All-Pro
Posts : 850 Join date : 2010-04-08 Location : Creston, IA
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:29 pm | |
| Easy Cyclone fan! Osemele isnt the type we need.
Pulling/trapping: Wasn't asked to do much pulling at the college level. Struggles to be consistent blocking in motion and doesn't have the natural foot quickness to cover a lot of ground. Understands angles and stays balanced with coordinated body control.
Initial Quickness: Quick setting up after the snap and slides well to the outside, staying patient and balanced off the snap. Has quick reaction skills to mirror in tight areas. Can be inconsistent in this area at times because of his lackadaisical playing style and needs to keep his weight under control. Has had more than a few false start penalties over his career.
Downfield: A short-area blocker with limited range and doesn't consistently get to the second level. Will play undisciplined at times, especially in space. Lacks a finishing attitude.
Intangibles: Started 44 consecutive games to end his collegiate career, despite battling an ankle injury most of his senior season. Versatile skill-set with experience at offensive tackle and guard. Work ethic is not a strength for him, with questionable conditioning and passion - his weight needs to be monitored. Natural instincts and football IQ are a large concern. Far from a finished product, but obvious upside is there if his field attitude develops - needs to prove mental midget notion is wrong.
- I dont know if you think he is good in space which he isnt, which he needs to be. He has trouble controling his weight which makes him a concern. He lacks a real motor, which you cant teach. We arent just a ground and pound team so he has to be able to move to the second level easily. We have a more zone blocking scheme because of the types of players we have with the ball. He fits a power man scheme, which we arent. Zeitler from Wisconsin would be a better fit for sure. | |
| | | kcchiefs Mod Lord
Posts : 370 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 30
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:23 pm | |
| All I got out of that was that he can't pull, can't block LB's, can't move in space, ANDDDD he has bad work ethic.. Sounds like a sure thing to me. | |
| | | Ian316 n00b cake
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| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:33 pm | |
| yeah after watching some of him Im not as sold as i was But i watched alot on DeCastro and he is the real deal
1) David DeCastro OG Stanford 2) Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State 3) Josh Chapman NT Alabama 4) Vick Ballard RB Miss St 5) Kellen Moore QB Boise St 6) Michael Williams TE Alabama 7) T-Bob Hebert OL LSU 7) Brandon Bolden RB Ole Miss | |
| | | RustShack Giver of Life
Posts : 4463 Join date : 2010-03-25 Age : 35 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:01 pm | |
| This is just a crazy draft for me. Might be the first year ever I have no clear cut preference. Not even a preference for a position. Obviously I'd love Luck, but 99% sure thats out of the question. | |
| | | OutlawChief All-Pro
Posts : 856 Join date : 2010-04-06 Age : 45 Location : Mansfield, Ohio
| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:25 pm | |
| http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1008821-2012-nfl-mock-draft-kansas-city-chiefs-full-7-round-predictions
7 round mock for Chiefs only. | |
| | | RustShack Giver of Life
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| Subject: Re: 2012 Mock Draft Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:43 pm | |
| I wouldn't be against two linemen in the first three picks this year. QB inbetween there would be nice, but Pioli wont neglect the defense that long. | |
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