2013 KC Draft

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SylvesterMalone1978 wrote:

Star is cleared by 9 different heart doctors. Does he jump back up?

I was just thinking the same thing. He ran a 4.65 shuttle and put up 38 reps. He is a beast and consistently playing against double and triple teams. Gave fits to USC. He might be the kind of guy Andy likes. I read Andy took a ton of O and D line guys high.

If we plan on keeping Albert and signing him long term, and dont plan on taking Geno, Star is a very likely candidate.

Supposedly it's down to the two LT's and Jordon for the top pick, even they the day before Reid said it was down to four guys.

I heard the guy that put those 3 names out there isnt a reliable source..but those 3 names are probably pretty much who are expected to be the final names.

I just know if we go LT it better be Fisher.

I'd rather see Star or Jordan than either OT.

RustShack wrote:

I'd rather see Star or Jordan than either OT.

I don't know much about Jordan. If they do indeed take him that pretty much means Hali would have to be traded at some point right?

BigRatt wrote:

RustShack wrote:

I'd rather see Star or Jordan than either OT.

I don't know much about Jordan. If they do indeed take him that pretty much means Hali would have to be traded at some point right?

Thats what I dont want. Hali still has a good 4-5 more years. Hali has one of if not the highest cap hit on our roster right now though so its kind of worrying that theyre considering Jordan unless they plan on keeping all 3 and just waiting for Hali's contract to run out in a few years. I wouldnt be against keeping all 3 until Hali's contract runs out..and it would certainly add some crazy pressure to our defense. We need Albert locked up though if this is gonna happen. We need him to get signed long term so he can get in football shape to prevent any possible injuries during the season.

Im not against Star either. The only person im really against taking at 1 is Joeckel and thats because of the offense he played in and with. I feel like Manziel bailed him out of alot of situations any other QB would have been sacked with. If I remember right Jason Smith of Baylor was in a similar offense. I feel like alot of the real worthy top 5 LTs in the draft come out of pro style offenses.

Star is a decent option since Jacksons future here is probably finished after this season and we have Poe in the middle. Im not concerned about the heart condition. It just feels like we've wasted so many picks on D-linemen since 2008. Dorsey, Jackson, Poe..only guys we've taken that havent been DL are Albert (same draft as Dorsey), Baldwin, and Berry.

What is the cap hit for the first pick? I would think we could easily afford Hali, Houston, and Jordon for the forceable future and cross the contract issue bridge five or so years from now. Can't have too many pass rushers, and you need more than two... Even though we should see added pressure from the DL now too.

Von Miller said he used to beat Joekel like a drum and would look forward to playing him twice a year.

RustShack wrote:

Von Miller said he used to beat Joekel like a drum and would look forward to playing him twice a year.

isn't it the same school. and Jokel got there the year Miller left. I would hope a player of millers caliber would beat joekel as a freshman

Chiefs could make this the first year a guard goes No. 1 in NFL Draft

April 9

By RANDY COVITZ

The Kansas City Star

A guard has never been selected with the first pick of the NFL Draft. And no guard has even cracked the top 10 since the New Orleans Saints took Chris Naeole of Colorado 10th overall in 1997.

Alabama's Chance Warmack (right)

If ever there were a year for a guard to go first overall, this could be it.

The Chiefs’ previous administration selected Jon Asamoah in the third round in 2010 and Jeff Allen in the second round in 2012, but if new general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid stick to their dictum of taking the “best player available,” some believe that guy is Alabama guard Chance Warmack.

Even ahead of the two highly rated offensive tackles, Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and Eric Fisher of Central Michigan.

“I don’t care whether it's Warmack or Joeckel,” said NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock. “People will tell me I'm crazy, that a guard can't go No. 1. I think he's the best player in the draft …

“Chance Warmack is the best football player I saw on tape this year. And Jonathan Cooper from North Carolina is just a tiny notch behind him. As a matter of fact, Cooper's probably a better athlete.”

Because tackles, especially on the left, or blind side of right-handed quarterbacks, take on opponents’ elite pass rushers, they have gone first overall in the draft twice the past 16 years — Jake Long to Miami in 2008 and Orlando Pace to St. Louis in 1997. And six offensive tackles went in the first round in 2011.

But this is an unusual draft, without a consensus No. 1 player, especially at the glamour positions of quarterback, running back or outside linebacker. So anything goes.

“If I had to list a top eight or 10 players,” said Mayock, “they'd probably be offensive linemen or defensive linemen. I'm not seeing some of those impact guys in some of the skill positions. … If I was (picking) one through nine, I wouldn't have any hesitation of taking (Warmack).”

Warmack, a 6-2, 317-pounder, is considered one of the best guards to enter the NFL since Hall of Famer John Hannah — also of Alabama — was the fourth overall pick in 1973.

“It’s widely known that guards aren’t drafted that high,” Warmack said at the NFL scouting combine. “If that did happen, that would be an honor as a player that plays guard. I’m not thinking about that right now.”

Warmack started all 40 games at Alabama in 2010-2012 and helped the Crimson Tide win the last two national championships. During the 2012 regular season, Warmack allowed 3.5 sacks in 287 pass attempts, led the team with 37 pancake blocks and was a unanimous first-team all-American.

“What makes him special?” Alabama offensive tackle D.J. Fluker said of Warmack. “The nastiness that he’s got — that’s the main thing. He’s aggressive. He lets you know that he dominated you when he walks back and looks at you in the face.”

Warmack, who earned his degree in December, said his mean streak evolved over time.

“As I got to college, I kind of understood it better in terms of no mercy,” he said. “You just get into that zone, and you just block everything out. Whoever’s playing against you is the enemy. I don’t know them. They don’t know me. So it’s fair game.”

Cooper, 6-2, 311 pounds, was the other first-team all-America guard and was the receipient of the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as the ACC’s top offensive lineman, an award Chiefs center Rodney Hudson won as a guard in 2010. He played at 290 pounds as a senior but has bulked up to 311 pounds for the NFL.

He played in a pro-style offense under former coach Butch Davis and adapted to an up-tempo, spread offense installed by Larry Fedora.

“I’d say I’m a combination of power and athleticism,” Cooper said. “You can look at it from my first three years of film where we’re a pro-style offense where power was our staple play.

“And then (last) year it really showed my athletic ability, getting out in space. We ran a bunch of screens and a lot of things where I was on the second and third level getting on linebackers and defensive backs.”

Will it be enough to vault him to the top 10 picks in the draft?

“It’s not a glamour position,” Cooper said. “But even as a guard, people are like, ‘Well, there’s no way he’ll go early. Maybe he’ll go third or fourth.’

“Being taken in the top 10, I would be ecstatic, and that would be the icing on top to be the first guard taken since ‘97 in the top 10.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/09/4172029/this-could-be-year-a-guard-goes.html#storylink=cpy

Warmack is beastly! I wish we could have him. If you want to get back to the kind of O line we used to have then Warmack would be your man. To bad there wasn't a way to land Warmack and Fisher both. It sure served San Fran well.

Geno, Jordan, or trade down. I'd prefer Warmack if we went OL, or at the very least Fisher. Trading down for the OL would be 100x better though.

KC is not taking Geno, and very doubt Jordan. It's gonna be Joeckel or Fischer.

Now being reported that the Chiefs are desperate to trade down. That could hurt the compensation even more than there not being an elite QB to trade up for. The Chiefs clearly don't want to take an OT #1

RustShack wrote:

Now being reported that the Chiefs are desperate to trade down. That could hurt the compensation even more than there not being an elite QB to trade up for. The Chiefs clearly don't want to take an OT #1

If there isn't a minimum of at least a 2 this year and a 2 next year then burn the damn pick with the best player on your board. If that means trading Albert for 2 and drafting his replacement then so be it I guess. I really don't care now!

The Dolphins have a lot to offer and are in the market for a LT.

SylvesterMalone1978 wrote:

The Dolphins have a lot to offer and are in the market for a LT.

Miami would make alot of sense. And have extra picks to deal. Not sure how they are cap wise. Also Fischer
saying he is more than willing to play RT in NFL. Could be angling to be KC #1

Albert is visiting the Dolphins says a report.

And Andy Reid denies it.

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 8m

Source tells me that the Chiefs have not informed Luke Joeckel that Eric Fisher will be their pick at No. 1 overall as claimed elsewhere
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I still think Fisher is the guy...

Prefer Fisher I think. But would be happy with him or Joeckel. Find out in 2 hours. GO CHIEFS!

So they take Fisher number 1 overall! I didn't watch any of his film so I don't know much about him. I guess we don't have to worry about the media projecting a OT in the 1st anymore!

When the Dolphins traded up I figured they were after Lane Johnson but took Jordan. I wonder if they will trade for Albert now with the other 2nd round pick. It's a late enough pick in the 2nd that I don't know if the CHiefs should trade Albert for it. I guess it would be better than Albert walking next year though.